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MToney : Cyber!!!
OMNIQuest : There he is! :D Welcome Cyber! :D
Spock1100 : HELLO
OMNI Cyber : Hiya Everyone! Wow! Great looking group
ya' got here! Looks like I'm in for a fun
night! ;)
Spock1100 : hello
BCS Frank : We all get welcomed here, but you get an
extra warm welcome as a new comer, Menolly.
:)
Shadowjak : Hey, Spock
Dan41 : Hello Cyber!!
OMNIQuest : Great group tonight! ::beaming keys over to
the Cyber man:: Folks, you guys have been
*wonderful*!
Spock1100 : yo
CybStalker : "They're everywhere! You're next!" Isn't it
amazing how art imiates life?
OMNI Cyber : Howdy, MT, Dan, Spock, et all.
BCS Frank : Quest, LL&P! :)
SpleenVent : Hiya Cyber
CASHERR : Night Quest.
Menolly22 : Thanks :D:D
MbWanderer : Bye Quest.
CybStalker : So it begins.......
OMNIQuest : Hugs and sweet thoughts to you all! :D
Hope to see you next week! ;> Have fun
with this...
OMNI Cyber : Spleen. ;)
CybStalker : Bye Quest.
OMNIQuest : ...fantastic bunch tonight, Cyber! :D
MToney : {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{
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DreamMindr : Night, Questie! :)
OMNI Cyber : Night, Quest. ;)
OMNIQuest : Thanks all!
Data1701D : nite Quest! |D
Dan41 : Later Quest!!!!
CybStalker : L8tr
SpleenVent : Night Quest
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Voltaire.
OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat
room--a place for great SF conversation!
OMNIQuest : ::closing airlock, and taking off into space
with the sound of tribble purrs following
me::
Voltaire I : Cyber, everyone
CybStalker : Uh, guys, I'm tying up my phone lines, I'll
be back in ten minutes.
OMNI Cyber : :::::looking around:::: So what's been the
topic?
OMNI Cyber : See ya, Cyb
DreamMindr : Robots.
OMNI Cyber : 'Hiya, Shadow
OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F
Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join
us! ;)
CASHERR : Organs
MToney : Cyber, I'm gonna have to start getting up
later on Saturdays!!! Take care!
OMNI Cyber : Cool, Dream....that's my topic too. ;)
DreamMindr : Tribbles.
Dan41 : Playing in the door again Shadow???
Shadowjak : Hiya
OMNI Cyber : *** It's Androids, Robots and AI night so
feel free to join in at anytime ***
MToney : Night all!!!
OMNI Cyber : Bye, MT. :(
Dan41 : Later MT!!!
CASHERR : Night MT
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Ant3eye
OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room.
Pull up your keyboard and join us! ;D
Ant3eye : hi
Shadowjak : I,m on a laptop with windows.........not
used to it
Naguslobes : Wintermute.
Spock1100 : im new at this too
OMNI Cyber : Understand, Shadow. :)
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Barchan
OMNI Cyber : Thanks for stopping by the OMNI SF/F Chat
Room. Kick off your shoes and join right in.
:D
Dan41 : Wanta trade, Shadow??
Voltaire I : If robots become more and more human, will
it become illegal to shut them off?
BCS Frank : Pentium, Shadow? Just don't do any
calculations. :)
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, SIX SLOTHS LTNS
CASHERR : On Santa's laptop?HHH
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
SIX SLOTHS : hi
Voltaire I : Not after 9th decimal anyway
OMNI Cyber : Good question, Voltaire.
CybStalker : I'm back! Re-Hi!
OMNI Cyber : Re hi, Cyb.
BCS Frank : Why not, Voltaire... shutting down sentient
people is a crime.
DreamMindr : I've got to be going. I have some work to
do. :(
Dan41 : Re's Cyb!!
DreamMindr : Night Cyber and all! :)
CybStalker : What're we *supposed* to be talking about?
Shadowjak : thanks, Dan........I'll just keep trying :)
OMNI Cyber : Nite, Dreamer. ;)
Menolly22 : Hi cyb, got this "hi" thing down pat anyway,
whats next....
CASHERR : Tough luck, Dream.
MbWanderer : Nite Dream
CybStalker : Hi Cyber!
Dan41 : Later Dream!
Voltaire I : But what is a robot and what is alive?
CybStalker : Well, Menolly, we either make witty
polictical satire....
Dan41 : Darn, Shadow, Always wanted me one of them
there Laptops.
CybStalker : or we make really bad spam jokes.
OMNI Cyber : Robots are mechanical beings....made of
metal. No soul.
BCS Frank : Alive is kinda like a robot, only
squishy....
MbWanderer : robot=slave
Menolly22 : LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, RedDragon
OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F
Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join
us! ;)
Voltaire I : How do we know we have a soul?
BCS Frank : Actually the work robot means worker.
RedDragon4 : Hey Cyber!
CybStalker : A "robot" is a automaton that serves men. It
could be alive. Think of the bicenntenial
man.
OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids,
Robots and Artificial Intelligence ***
MbWanderer : Too deep Volt
CybStalker : Which of the three do you think the Pope'll
object to the most?
CASHERR : What is the bicentennial man?
Naguslobes : That is all very interesting, but now I am
composed entirely out of Spam.
Dan41 : How do we know that a robot doesn't have a
soul, Can you point to yours??
SIX SLOTHS : Useless piece of information: In 17th C
Poland, the people had to pay a tax or
'robot'
CybStalker : A story by Asimov about a robot that becomes
human.
CybStalker : A soul of silicon
Voltaire I : Sorry, allright. Do we want to make robots
that are much more intellignet than us?
BCS Frank : And we have souls of carbon???
SpleenVent : Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MbWanderer : olt. Sure, who wants to think?
Voltaire I : I think I read that
Menolly22 : I dont think so, Computer intelligence is
scary enough, dont you think?
Dan41 : Re's Spleen!
CybStalker : Well, look at the robot president in I.
Robot. They could run the show better than
we can!
CASHERR : We're all just diamonds in the rough, Frank.
Voltaire I : But, if they become intelligent enough, they
could do EVERYTHING for us
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Deejarvis. ;)
BCS Frank : Buckyballs in our hearts. :)
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
Dan41 : Hello Dee!!!!!!
CASHERR : Everything?
CybStalker : Question: Why give an inanimate object
consiosness and curiosity if it can't move?
Voltaire I : BRB, i'll go get my book
Deejarvis : Hi, Cyber. Thanks for your note. :)
OMNI Cyber : ;)
Deejarvis : Hi, Dan!!
BCS Frank : Good question to ask the machine, Cyb.
CASHERR : I've go to go. Hope you figure this all out.
Deejarvis : Hi, Frank!
OMNI Cyber : Night, Cash.
Menolly22 : By
Voltaire I : bakc, and I knew exactly where the book was
too
Shadowjak : Ahhhhh, I think I've got this thing figured
out now, Yeah, Frank, Pentium
OMNI Cyber : DJ....*** Tonight the topic deals with
Androids, Robots and Artificial Intelligence
***
BCS Frank : Deej! Hi! :)
CybStalker : The computer in "I have no mouth and I must
scream" blows up civilization it gets so
ticked.
CybStalker : Bye
Dan41 : G'night Cash!!
Naguslobes : Ellison! Get a rope, boys!
CybStalker : Someone type something
OMNI Cyber : LOL, Cyb
OMNI Cyber : STAR WARS had C3PO, ST:TNG has Data, 2001
had Hal. Are Robots, Androids and AI
computers ...
OMNI Cyber : needed in SF to further the stories? Or are
they becoming a necessity for the SF
writers?
BCS Frank : s o m e t h i n g
Deejarvis : LOL, Frank
CybStalker : Looking at robots is a way to see what's
human in us.
OMNI Cyber : How so, Cyb?
CybStalker : But I believe robots left with the golden ag
of SF
RedDragon4 : Since we will probably head that way in
Science Fact the Robots and things seem
needed
BCS Frank : One of the under appreciated themes in
Asimov's work was attempts to define what is
human.
CybStalker : Well, look at some of Asimov stuff, or the
way DATA what's to be human.
Voltaire I : Ah, here, "Reason" -Assimov
SIX SLOTHS : A computer recently beet the 'human' world
champion in a game of chess
Dan41 : There hasn't been that many robots, AI's et
al in recent SF.
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Chuck
OMNI Cyber : Thanks for stopping by the OMNI SF/F Chat
Room. Kick off your shoes and join right in.
:D
Chuck7905 : thanks
CybStalker : Well, AIs are prominent in the mainstream
cyberpunk literature.
Chuck7905 : whats the topic
OMNI Cyber : Dan....what about ST:TNG....EARTH
2....etc.....
CybStalker : ROBOT
Voltaire I : In this story, the Robot decides to take
over running stuff and isolate the humans
OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids,
Robots and Artificial Intelligence ***
BCS Frank : Dan, in part that's because there's not much
"gee wizz" factor left in machines that
talk.
Shadowjak : I think that AIs are very prevalent in
today's work, Dan
RedDragon4 : AI's are developing so fast that I am afraid
we might get in over our heads, T2!!!
Dan41 : Was think about Books, Cyber.
CybStalker : "Thou shalt not carve grave images" think
about it
OMNI Cyber : OIC, Dan. ;)
BCS Frank : There was a time when a feature of science
fiction movies was showing a working TV set.
Chuck7905 : I think we should therefor have a moment of
silence in honor of the passing of the great
Asimov
CybStalker :
Naguslobes : What if AOL becomes self-aware!
OMNI Cyber : True, Frank.
RedDragon4 : Think about it, a perfectly placed AI could
take over the World!!!!
OMNI Cyber : Nagu....maybe AOL already is.
CybStalker : What if the punt monsters develop
intelligence?????
Voltaire I : LOL
RedDragon4 : AOL is watching you!!!!!!!
Menolly22 : But will we have to pay for it?????
OMNI Cyber : LOL, Cyb......sometimes I think they have.
Deejarvis : You mean the punting is attempt at striking?
CybStalker : Big Brother...I am #6!
Shadowjak : If AOL becomes self aware, maybe it will
remember that it's programmed........
CybStalker : Well, they always strike effectivly
Voltaire I : Yeah, the mainframes are rebelling
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Chewbacca
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
Shadowjak : to "serve" not obstruct
OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight we are talking Robots and
Androids. Have any favorites? ***
Chewbacca2 : hi everyone!! :)
CybStalker : Maybe an ai HAS been running the world!
Chewbacca2 : just C3PO & R2D2!! :)
CybStalker : I like DEEP THOUGHT
BCS Frank : Hi, Chew, pull up a bar and have a drink!
:)
Voltaire I : I doubt it
Chewbacca2 : :)
OMNI Cyber : :::instructing the replicator to serve the
pizza and cold drinks::: |> |> |> |> C{_}
C{_} C{_} C{_}
Voltaire I : Me too
NS3000 : hi
OMNI Cyber : Hello, NS3000
OMNI Cyber : You've just transported into the OMNI SF/F
Chat. Grab your chair, get comfy, and join
us! ;)
RedDragon4 : To "think" is to destroy, if AI's can only
learn from Human nature--they will learn
to.....
RedDragon4 : destroy
CybStalker : No thanks, my solar cells are chocalate
flavored
Chewbacca2 : Hi NS3OO!
CybStalker : I thibk, therefore I am!
NS3000 : hi chew
BCS Frank : "to think is to destroy?" Never thought of
that before...
Voltaire I : If we become unnessesary, it would....suck
Dan41 : Ooooo, bad thought Red.
SIX SLOTHS : thibking,hmmm
OMNI Cyber : That makes sense, Red. After all, that is
the usual progression of man. :(
Naguslobes : SkyNet!
RedDragon4 : Humans Think and Destroy, Higher levels of
thought produce higher levels of destruction
CybStalker : Hey, anyone emeber the STNG episode when
Data believes the little worker bots are
alive?
Deejarvis : "I am not a program. I am a free computer!"
RedDragon4 : I.E. Einstien!!!!!!!!!
Voltaire I : I think I think, therefore I think I am
Voltaire I : I did
OMNI Cyber : Yeah, Cyb.
BCS Frank : Yup, remember that; remember wondering
what'll he think when he sees a Swiss Army
knife.
CybStalker : now, what if our machines showed the same
symptoms? What if our IBMs demended
citizenship?
RedDragon4 : Now, if that doesn't scare you what does?
OMNI Cyber : How do you know the OMNI hosts aren't part
of the AOL computer program? ====:o
CybStalker : You ACT like it someimes!
OMNI Cyber : ;)
SIX SLOTHS : With higher levels of thought come more
sense of responsibility to prevent
destruction
Shadowjak : If self programming Ais become a reality, is
A hardwired service progam really reliable?
BCS Frank : Hmmm... At least my Apple II is old enough
to vote. :)
Voltaire I : How do you know, I'm a human typing this in,
and not an AI
CybStalker : No, it can't adapt to variables.
Dan41 : G'night folks, its been fun!!! Nice to have
met you Menollym, hope you like it here!!!
OMNI Cyber : Nite, Dan.
CybStalker : Night Dan
Deejarvis : Nite, Dan
SIX SLOTHS : bye, dan
Shadowjak : Nite Dan
CybStalker : Day, dan
RedDragon4 : SIX SLOTHS------but nothing can stop man's
self destruction yet another man's
destruction!
BCS Frank : Cyb, adapting to variables is an AI's meat
and potatoes.
Voltaire I : Isn't NASA working on adapting to variables
for Mars Mission?
Menolly22 : Nite Dan, Not my topic but I like the
atmosphere.
SIX SLOTHS : Ahh, an optimist in our midst
OMNI Cyber : Re hi, Spleen
SpleenVent : Hry Cyber!
OMNI Cyber : To create true androids, do you think we
will need to perfect nanotechnology first?
CybStalker : Think, we may have intelligence in our
drives. Remeber what Hawkings said about
viruses?
RedDragon4 : No!
OMNI Cyber : What was that, Cyb?
Voltaire I : No, I don't. What?
Naguslobes : How do you define nanotechnology?
CybStalker : He said they were alive because they self
replicated and showed independant thought.
Voltaire I : Intelligent Viruses that adapapt to
antiviruses and stuff?
SIX SLOTHS : Viruses show thought?
RedDragon4 : No, they just grow and follow a program!!!!
CybStalker : Sort of like the STNG epidsode when Wesley
makes intelligent nanites
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, RINGS. LTNS
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Odobbins
CybStalker : The yADAPT to the current system.
OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat
room--a place for great SF conversation!
SIX SLOTHS : Adapting takes no thought
ODobbins : Good I could use some of that
Voltaire I : Problem's when your screen cumbles leaving
the message " I think, therefore I am"
RedDragon4 : You can tell it how to adaprt and change,
just like AI!!!!!!!
OMNI Cyber : *** It's Androids, Robots and AI night so
feel free to join in at anytime ***
CybStalker : They would be on the level of amoebas.
Chuck7905 : A- Viruses do not exhibit thought and have
never
RedDragon4 : and?
Chuck7905 : even been proven to be truly alive.
CybStalker : Well, he didn't stayon the theory for long.
Chuck7905 : many things that evolve and adapt are not
alive, including erroneous concepts
RedDragon4 : A virus doesn't live, it follows program and
it doesn't die it is erased!!!!!!
CybStalker : And this conversation..
Naguslobes : If a machine was built on the molecular
level, what would it look like?
Voltaire I : A COMPUTER virus
CybStalker : So are WE, dragon!
Chuck7905 : ha
Voltaire I : Small, for one
RedDragon4 : So are we what??????
CybStalker : Are we not naught bu bioelectric and organic
wiring?
OMNI Cyber : Good question, Nag. What do you think?
Naguslobes : Sure! Really small.
CybStalker : we are ERASED, and crumble into organic
binary data!
OMNI Cyber : WB, ODobbins.
Voltaire I : We follow a program, die and decay. But are
we programed to question our existence?
BCS Frank : We are complex colonies of celles, each of
which is a complex colony of virii and
accessories.
Chuck7905 : what are you babbling about
CybStalker : We are nothing but a VERY complicated
program
Naguslobes : I think that a functional machine composed
from molecules would look just like . . .
Deejarvis : Cyb, you're getting into the issue of souls.
SIX SLOTHS : It's a little bit more complex then binary
CybStalker : Hath not a robot hands, eyes, diodes?
Naguslobes : A DNA molecule.
BCS Frank : Is not a soul but our entry in God's
database?
RedDragon4 : Binary is a bit simplistic than a molecule!
Chuck7905 : We are getting into more than just souls,
what about self-awareness?
CybStalker : Well, I, robot had a case of a buncha bots
who made religion.
OMNI Cyber : So they say, Frank. :/
Voltaire I : Oooo Naguslobes....very interesting
CybStalker : Look at Red Dwarf's Silicon Heaven!
RedDragon4 : If you believe in a greater being!!!! So
don't bring god into this!!!!!
CybStalker : I think therefore I am. I am, therefore I
believe....
BCS Frank : Red, if one raises the question of souls one
has introduced the idea of God.
Voltaire I : "Reason" They worshiped a "the master" and
served by the energy beam
Naguslobes : Why strive to invent nanotechnology? Just
figure out genetics, and it's yours.
SIX SLOTHS : Rene Descartes was a drunken old fart. . .
CybStalker : And God has been reduced to another theory.
RedDragon4 : I didn't raise the question of souls!
Chuck7905 : Not necessarily are we speaking about souls
in a spiritual sense?
CybStalker : What else is there?
RedDragon4 : Like on the Hitchhiker series!!!!!!!!
CybStalker : Wouldn't we like to know!
BCS Frank : True, Red but many others here raise topics
too.
CybStalker : EXACTLY Red!
SIX SLOTHS : Hey, it was a song!
OMNI Cyber : ;)
RedDragon4 : God created man, man recreated god, man
destroyed God, something of that nature!!!!
SIX SLOTHS : oh
Naguslobes : Yes, a Monty Python song too!
Voltaire I : In I Robot also, there is a story about a
couple of huge mainframes that take over
running
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, JHass
Voltaire I : the worls
OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat
room--a place for great SF conversation!
JHass : Evenin'. <g>
Voltaire I : world. Would we want that? To do nothing all
day? No challenges?
CybStalker : God creates man in his own image. Man, being
a gentleman, returns the favor!
RedDragon4 : It was a Python Song, which one?
Naguslobes : G'day Bruce!
CybStalker : Think about that
Voltaire I : Man creates god in his own image. This is
getting off the subject
Shadowjak : "soul" and "God" are not necessarily
mutually inclusive conceots
RedDragon4 : Why must there be a god for us to exist, our
minds just can't think in infinite ways, it
is
RedDragon4 : a cruch!!!!
BCS Frank : Rene went into the bar, the bar keep said
"want a beer?" Rene said "I think not..."
and vanished!
Naguslobes : Is your name not Bruce then?
Chuck7905 : voltaire- if you did have a world run by
AI's, could you not find any thing to do
with your time?
CybStalker : Voltaire, we have NEVER stayed on subject,
and, darnit, we won't start now!!!!!
BCS Frank : crutch?
OMNI Cyber : Chuck.....yeah.....play a lot of GOLF. };>
CybStalker : LOL!
Chuck7905 : HA!
Voltaire I : Have fun all day? No challenges? Like games?
I rather do something productive
RedDragon4 : Dogma...Crutch, Why need them huh, to
give man a sense of were he goes after death
CybStalker : Then go to another room
Chuck7905 : Productive? LIke work?
CybStalker : You said the "w" worrd!
OMNI Cyber : Hello, DAARN
OMNI Cyber : Welcome to the OMNI SF/F chat room, a place
for SF enthusiasts to gather and chat
online. :D
Voltaire I : yes. Like work
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, PaulErik
OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat
room--a place for great SF conversation!
PaulErik : Greetings!
BCS Frank : I know the meaning in dialectic of crutch...
I was just translating your "cruch."
RedDragon4 : hey PE
JHass : Howdy Paul!
RedDragon4 : oh, OK
PaulErik : Hiya Red
Chuck7905 : bye
PaulErik : Hey JHass!
Voltaire I : Yes, might as well take the subject off the
macro huh?
Naguslobes : This is the wattle, it's the emblem of our
land
RedDragon4 : Seeya Chuck
OMNI Cyber : ** We are presently discussing robots and
souls.....sort of. :/
Unknown 78 : Hi
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Unknown
OMNI Cyber : Welcome to the OMNI SF/F Chat! Home of
inquisitive minds, great chat, and friendly
people! :D
Naguslobes : You can stick it in a bottle, you can hold
it in your hand.
SIX SLOTHS : <---:avoiding topics about the grand scheme
of things
JHass : "Robot Soul"? Hmmm...wasn't that a Beatles
album? ;-)
CybStalker : He he, I think we made Cyber uncomfortable!
Let's stop and play nice.
Unknown 78 : what do you mean
CybStalker : NAH!
OMNI Cyber : :)
OMNI Cyber : Do you think Cyborgs will ever become a
reality? How would we distinguish between
...
OMNI Cyber : ... a Cyborg and an Android?
RedDragon4 : Anyway, the only reason the robots felt they
had souls was because humans can't imagine
not
RedDragon4 : having one!!!!
BCS Frank : By the original serial number. :)
RedDragon4 : A Cyborg is also part Human!!!!!
Shadowjak : No, JHass< I think it was "Rubber God" :)
OMNI Cyber : LOL, Frank. :)
CybStalker : Now, androids are mtal men. What do they
have to say about the Ten comandments?
JHass : :-D
Voltaire I : I can imagine not having one.
CybStalker : Thou shalt ot deactivate?
BCS Frank : Androids need not be metal.
Naguslobes : But which is the Walrus, and which the
Carpenter?
JHass : "Though shall not stand out in a rain
storm?"
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Bruce
OMNI Cyber : Thanks for stopping by the OMNI SF/F Chat
Room. Kick off your shoes and join right in.
:D
SIX SLOTHS : Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's
transistors
OMNI Cyber : LOL, SIX
CybStalker : If they're organic, religionists would go
balistic!
Voltaire I : Anyone see History of the World Part 1 by
Mel Brooks?
RedDragon4 : Well, Voltaire your mind must think in more
infiniteness than others!!!!!!
BCS Frank : Cyb, the best work on that topic is Asimov's
Three Laws.
CybStalker : Hey, SIX< I was going to make a covet joke!
Shadowjak : Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's power
source
Deejarvis : Yes, Voltaire.
SIX SLOTHS : Those who can type fastest. . .
JHass : Well, everyone's gonna have some kind of
complaint no matter what, Cyb.
CybStalker : Definatelt Frank.
Voltaire I : i cracked up when Moses droped the third
tablet
CybStalker : he heh ehe he
Menolly22 : Frank, what were the 3 laws?
CybStalker : Tae to and call me in the promised land
Voltaire I : God has sent these 15...::crack:: 10
commandments
RedDragon4 : Here are your fifteen....crack...ten
commandments!!!!
Shadowjak : You got it SIX :)
CybStalker : 1.A robot shall not injure a human.
Deejarvis : Hmmmm, wonder what was on 3rd tablet? :)
BCS Frank : A Robot shall not harm or through inaction
allow harm to a human.
OMNI Cyber : DJ....probably stuff about the robots. ;)
SIX SLOTHS : Aha! now I remember, I read that story
Voltaire I : 5 points for franks
CybStalker : 2. A robot shall serve humans, unless it
would break the 1st law
Voltaire I : Frank
BCS Frank : A robot shall obey a human, except to not
violate the 1st law.
RedDragon4 : What story was it that the little robot was
running around because his mind was
conflicted
RedDragon4 : with the three laws???
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Yppup
OMNI Cyber : Thanks for stopping by the OMNI SF/F Chat
Room. Kick off your shoes and join right in.
:D
CybStalker : 3. A robot shall protect its own existencce,
unless this conficlt the first two laws.
BCS Frank : A robot must protect itself, except to not
violate the first two laws.
OMNI Cyber : WB, Unknown.
Unknown 78 : Hello
Yppup : hello
CybStalker : LIttle Robot Lost!
CybStalker : That was the story.
Voltaire I : I think the 2nd and 3rd should be swithced
JHass : I thought it was "Liar".
RedDragon4 : Is that it, that was pretty neat story!
OMNI Cyber : Why, Vol?
Shadowjak : Now, Frank...should these laws apply to a
self aware construct?
BCS Frank : Cyb, you gotta remember the "or through
inaction allow" part, it was critical to
several stories.
Voltaire I : If you want it more human
CybStalker : I read a story where 3 robots went to
Asimovto try to get him to change the first
law!
Unknown 78 : Did anybody read the article in OMNI on the
face on Mars.
BCS Frank : Shadow that's a decision for the Engineers,
or Bill Gates, to decide.
Voltaire I : Humans don't commit suicide because some
suggests it
CybStalker : Think, withthe first law, can a robot
surgeon operate?
OMNI Cyber : Unknown....that stuff is discussed in
Anitmatter.
SIX SLOTHS : Speaking of OMNI, when was the last time
anyone recieved one
CybStalker : And can it not if the surgeory is neede?
Voltaire I : Hmm....It might have to be altered.
BCS Frank : Let's say tat it would take a very
sophisticated robot surgeon to operate.
RedDragon4 : Cyb...only if irreparable damage were
rendered!!!!
Shadowjak : I was thinking more of the moral
issue.........not Microsoft
Unknown 78 : OMNI Cyber...... Is it true?
OMNI Cyber : :)
Voltaire I : It doesn't matter to the robot, it is
"damage"
RedDragon4 : That is why the laws would be deleted from
those robots!!!
CybStalker : What about a football coach, it can't make
plays if players would be hurt and tackled!
JHass : Cyb- there are degrees of injuring. If a
human were to die without the surgery....
BCS Frank : The general practice for most Asimovian
robots trapped in a law conflict was to burn
out its brain.
SIX SLOTHS : No, I meant the magazine, I haven't recieved
one in a while
OMNI Cyber : SIX....I just got my January issue
yesterday.
CybStalker : A critic couldn't critique for fear of
hurting someones feeling!
Voltaire I : And in the other story, where the robot must
allow the human to come into harm
SIX SLOTHS : hmmmmm
BCS Frank : Shadow, it'll be a business that builds
robots; hence it is both a moral and
business question.
CybStalker : SYeah Frank, sorta like what tom servo does.
Shadowjak : To hardwire those conditions into a self
aare entity is tantamount to slavery
RedDragon4 : Well then those robots wouldn't be made, for
those exact reasons!!!!!!
CybStalker : All men are created equal.
Voltaire I : Robot Dreams?
Naguslobes : But the laws could be adjusted, so that
anyone could not order a valuable robot to
suicide.
CybStalker : All men create inequals!
SIX SLOTHS : Why should we let robots become sentient?
Everthing is fine just how it is
BCS Frank : At MIT and Mass General they are setting up
surgery rooms to support robotic surgeons...
now.
RedDragon4 : Shadow, just like when those whites that
practiced slavery thought blacks were not
better
RedDragon4 : than animals
CybStalker : WHOA! I just got major deja vu.
OMNI Cyber : Really, Frank? Wow
Voltaire I : I beg to differ, all humans are not created
equal
BCS Frank : -Those- robots won't have Positronic
programming.
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, YNOTGOLF
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
JHass : Again?
CybStalker : And that's always what propanganda maes the
enemy out as!
BCS Frank : Again, Cyb? :)
CybStalker : What exactly is positronic?
OMNI Cyber : WB, Unknown.
Voltaire I : I think it's like Electronic, only positive
BCS Frank : Positronic: Asimov's term for a type of
computer based on positrons & their
currents, based
JHass : Well, so long, All!
Voltaire I : Don't knwo how it is made or works though
YNOTGOLF : Hi ya'll just got back from a party, brought
some food you're welcome to it.
DareDog v2 : Woof
Unknown 78 : When will I get my January issue of OMNI,
anybody.
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, DareDog
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
DareDog v2 : Hi Cyber
BCS Frank : on the then current ideas of anti-electrons,
hence positive electrons = positrons.
PaulErik : I'm rollin' too. Night all, have fun!
DareDog v2 : Hi Frank
Voltaire I : And Photons
OMNI Cyber : When the mailman delivers it, Unknown.
Mail is slow now becuase of the holiday.
Shadowjak : Oh I thought it was like moronic, only in a
positive way. :)
SIX SLOTHS : bye, to those who are leaving
RedDragon4 : electronics using positively charged
particles????
Voltaire I : LOL Shadow
Menolly22 : I'll visit again t'morrow nite, nite all!!!
CybStalker : Mailmen should have three laws
BCS Frank : It's -somehow- based on a platinum sponge
matrix which -somehow- supports positronic
flow.
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, ATiamzon
OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat
room--a place for great SF conversation!
RedDragon4 : See ya little Dragon--Menolly
OMNI Cyber : Nite, Menolly
Voltaire I : We should completely DL Omni....but it'd
take a lot at 2400...
BCS Frank : In point of fact there-are- curent flows in
semi conductors of positively charged
"holes."
RedDragon4 : holes?
BCS Frank : The negative electrons go one way, and the
holes where electrons are missing go the
other.
Naguslobes : Half full or half empty holes?
ATiamzon : IS THERE ANY BULLITIN BOARDS I CAN CALL
Voltaire I : Do we have the technology today to build the
body of an android, such as Data?
BCS Frank : completely empty holes. :)
OMNI Cyber : LOL, Nag.
BCS Frank : Voltaire, no.
CybStalker : Do we have a right?
Voltaire I : Completely full of space
RedDragon4 : I have to leave guys, Someone E-mail me if
you come up with anything else cool!!!!
OMNI Cyber : Don't think so, Vol. :)
OMNI Cyber : Nite, Red.
SIX SLOTHS : We're humans, we have the right to do
anything we want
Shadowjak : Very Zen, these holes
Voltaire I : Have we tried?
Unknown 78 : OMNI Cyber....... What is the main event in
the Jaanuary issue.
CybStalker : Red, you'll never get past your mailbox!
OMNI Cyber : Talking to aliens.
RedDragon4 : :-)
CybStalker : SIX, tha t what Hitler thought
RedDragon4 : See ya all!
BCS Frank : "You have the right to remain silent, to
invent an android, to have a patent attorney
if you do invent
BCS Frank : one..."
Deejarvis : LOL, Frank
CybStalker : You have the right to a machenic
Voltaire I : Don't we have a right to life too? That
migth interfere with the 1st
Voltaire I : LOL Frank
OMNI Cyber : Frank....too funny
CybStalker : Can we deactivate a robot, what about due
proccess of law?
SIX SLOTHS : Yeah, and he would've got away with it too
if it were'nt for these meddling kids and
that darn dog!
Deejarvis : Right to life? Is that in the constitution?
BCS Frank : "Right to life?" I rather suspect the most
we have is the right for the pursuit of
happiness..."
CybStalker : LOL
Voltaire I : Isn't it Life, Liberty....
BCS Frank : Pursuit doesn't mean we'll get there.
CybStalker : Life,liberty, pursuit of hapiness.
CybStalker : and cheetos
Voltaire I : True
OMNI Cyber : Do you think we will ever create androids
like Data or will we end up with clones
that...
Voltaire I : And StarTrek Reruns
OMNI Cyber : do the slave labor for us instead?
SIX SLOTHS : Jefferson bastardized Locke's inalienable
rights,though, of life, liberty, and
property
BCS Frank : They're not in the Constitution, they're in
the Declaration... just propaganda. :)
Shadowjak : Newsflash "Kevorkian convicted in case of
android mercy deactivation"
Deejarvis : That's John Locke, an English philosopher.
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Jimmyzz
OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat
room--a place for great SF conversation!
Jimmyzz3 : yo
CybStalker : When does a being become aware?
Jimmyzz3 : whoa are you asking
Jimmyzz3 : i mean who
BCS Frank : Usually when the human being gets a driver's
license.
CybStalker : Whoever answers
Jimmyzz3 : ok
CybStalker : Frank, I know what you mean.
Voltaire I : I think by the time we have the technology
to create an android brain, we'd have made
bio-te
Voltaire I : like bionic people who would be just as
capable
Shadowjak : I thought it was when you took out a
mortgage, Frank
SIX SLOTHS : Aware is a pretty menial category, evern
amoebas are aware of what they percieve to
be their environme
SIX SLOTHS : nt
CybStalker : Think about these two points:
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Erasthmus
OMNI Cyber : Glad you stopped by the OMNI SF/F Chat Room.
Pull up your keyboard and join us! ;D
CybStalker : 1.Robots are built better than humans.
OMNI Cyber : Hi, Strmdancer
Erasthmus : Hey, OMNI
CybStalker : 2. Natural Selection
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
BCS Frank : As Turing pointed out at length and with
brilliance, sentience ain't easy to figure.
Voltaire I : For now....genetic manipulation
Strmdancer : Hi, Cyber.
OMNI Cyber : *** It's Androids, Robots and AI night so
feel free to join in at anytime ***
CybStalker : God wears a labcoat
SIX SLOTHS : Wow, a french philosopher and a dutch
reformer all in the same room!
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Cyberblaze
Voltaire I : :)
OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat
room--a place for great SF conversation!
Shadowjak : No, God wears a Turin shroud :)
BCS Frank : Cyb, to parse those statement we first need
to define "unnatural selection."
CybStalker : didn't he do that allready?
Deejarvis : LOL, Six!
Erasthmus : :]
Cyberblaze : Hi Cyber
CybStalker : "Artificial Selection"
Shadowjak : Turing shroud
Voltaire I : Hey! If God is everywhere...then this AOL
room isn't really anywhere
YNOTGOLF : mrs ynot says goodnite
CybStalker : Like the crabs in Cosmos
SIX SLOTHS : Erasthmus, Voltaire 1; Voltaire I, Erasthmus
OMNI Cyber : Nite, Mrs, Ynot.
CybStalker : Forget me Ynot
Cyberblaze : Whats the topic?
OMNI Cyber : *** It's Androids, Robots and AI night so
feel free to join in at anytime ***
CybStalker : Bots
Erasthmus : Alright , Ill go along. Bon matin, Monsieur
Voltaire
OMNI Cyber : Do you think Cyborgs will ever become a
reality? How would we distinguish between
...
OMNI Cyber : ... a Cyborg and an Android?
CybStalker : No, what does everyone think about bionic
reconstruction and augmentation?
BCS Frank : So selection by humans is not part of
nature? Aren't humans themselves part of
nature?
Voltaire I : Onze heurs ici.
SIX SLOTHS : <----:grinning with glee
CybStalker : "We can rebuild him. We have the
technology."
Erasthmus : Yeah. Where are you?
Voltaire I : VA
CybStalker : Humans threw nature of LONG ago.
Cyberblaze : Well Cyber that depends what you mean by
cyborg?
Strmdancer : Would you consider an android to be a
complete construct, while a cyborg would be
a man-machine mixtur
OMNI Cyber : Cyborg.....machine/humans.
Strmdancer : Tu parle francais, monsieurs?
SIX SLOTHS : No, no, no, Voltaire, you're at the court of
the Prussin king Frederick II(great)
OMNI Cyber : Hi, LiveZombie
BCS Frank : Ahh, but nature hasn't thrown out humans, at
least yet. :)
CybStalker : What about organic android? Would the y have
lives and souls?
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Davecast
Voltaire I : I think Cyborgs will develop before true
androids
OMNI Cyber : Hi, WAlanH
Shadowjak : Yeah, Frank, I hate it when "naturalists"
try to separate man from "the natural
process"
OMNI Cyber : Nice to see you here at the SF/F chat. It's
Androids and Robots night so join right in.
:)
Voltaire I : Oh, sorry
Cyberblaze : Cybernetics is just the study of
commuinication between machines and
organics.
CybStalker : With today fashion snese definatley
Erasthmus : No. Just basic phrases. Thought it
appropriate thats all. Do you speak Dutch, I
dont
OMNI Cyber : Hello, CosmcCarol ;)
OMNI Cyber : Welcome to OMNI's SF/F Chat Room. Tonight
is Robotics night. Have anything to share?
BCS Frank : I do like wqhales, but that's just part of
my nature. :)
Cyberblaze : Bionics is putting them together
BCS Frank : whales ^^
Strmdancer : Do you like Quayles, too, Frank? ;-)
Voltaire I : No, and I only know French 2.
CosmcCarol : Just observing right now
CybStalker : Cyber, give use a question to get us on
track.
OMNI Cyber : Anyone think genetic manipulation will ever
create true Neuromancers?
Erasthmus : Haha.
BCS Frank : Yeah, any endangered species. :)
CybStalker : Questions is, how would we control them.
Strmdancer : Refresh on Neuromancers, Cyber?
Voltaire I : Hmmm....definitely could. Don't know if
they'll allow it
BCS Frank : carefully :)
Cyberblaze : Genetic manipulation can lead to anything
Naguslobes : night all!
Strmdancer : :::chuckling:::so I figured, Frank.
CybStalker : And it probably has....
Deejarvis : Nite, Nagus
OMNI Cyber : Able to jack into the system through your
brain. No typing required.
SIX SLOTHS : Nite, Mr. Slobes
OMNI Cyber : Hi, MikesPOV
OMNI Cyber : Welcome to OMNI's SF/F Chat Room. Tonight
is Robotics night. Have anything to share?
CybStalker : That would make this conversation a LOT
easier!!!
Strmdancer : Yep - the new bodypiercing fashion, Cyber
;-)
Voltaire I : Neat-o. No more cheap joysticks
OMNI Cyber : LOL, Cyb
BCS Frank : Genetic manipulation isn't required for
wire-heading.
CybStalker : VR Doom
Erasthmus : I dont agree, Cyber. Genetic manipulation
based on current physics cant lead to
everything.
BCS Frank : The technology is already in early
prototype.
Shadowjak : Don't think they'll need genetics for that
Voltaire I : That would be disgusting
OMNI Cyber : Why not?
SIX SLOTHS : Yeah, but think of all the meaningless
pense's that would appear on the screen
CybStalker : And it will lead to great sociealogical
problems.
Voltaire I : You'd have a filter I suppose
OMNI Cyber : How so, Cyb?
Deejarvis : Would take more thought control than most
people possess.
MikesPOV : oops wrong planet
BCS Frank : SIX, we'd learn to control what we "enwire"
just as we control what we say.
Strmdancer : Already testing point and track systems
hooked to eyes...
CybStalker : Well, lets say you make a better man, right
Cyber?
Voltaire I : This is Terra. You took a wrong turn
Erasthmus : It is limited by the very theory on which it
is based. What if say socalled 'psi' powers
OMNI Cyber : Sure, Cyb. :)
CybStalker : Now, think. "God created man in His image".
Whoops!
Erasthmus : require an expanded or totally new theorys
BCS Frank : Air Force has really peculiar test results
in from testing pilots.....
Strmdancer : Heard of sopite syndrome, Frank?
Voltaire I : Now, think "Man creatd God in his image"
CybStalker : Religion invariably conflicts with new
technology.
OMNI Cyber : Cyb....who's to say god isn't a big
mainframe in the sky?
Erasthmus : Julian May for example takes this approach
BCS Frank : It seems they can detect decision points in
brain patterns just before a decision is
made.
Shadowjak : It would involve a "learning" process
similar to what stroke patients undergo
Cyberblaze : It always does Cyb.
CybStalker : Hmm. Et tu.
Voltaire I : Ever Read "Harmony" bye O Scott Card?
BCS Frank : The sneaky factor is that the pattern is
usually different if the pilot is about to
make a mistake,
Erasthmus : Started it Volt
BCS Frank : even though the pilot is not aware of the
diffeence.
Voltaire I : That WAS about a huge mainframe regarded as
God
Erasthmus : never finished it
OMNI Cyber : Got it, VOL. Still waiting to find the
time.
Strmdancer : Wow - that is interesting, Frank - bet
they're working on how to interrupt the
mistakes...
BCS Frank : Heck, a keyboard is a form of electronic
prothesis interface for us AOL'ers.
OMNI Cyber : Frank....wouldn't that be more VR?
Voltaire I : That's the setting, a planet in which a huge
orbiting mainframe + Genetics allow it to
CybStalker : This reminds me of the STNG episode with the
genetically engineeered colony.
Voltaire I : control peopl's thoughts. It was worshiped
like a God.
BCS Frank : Right, Storm .... just enough interrupts to
lock out the goofs.
Erasthmus : Why must a mainframe or the 'computer '
become the new God paradigm?
Strmdancer : Voltaire, is Memory of Earth in that series
of card's?
BCS Frank : Cyber, not it's not VR, it'sreal time flight
control engineering.
Voltaire I : I read half-way, but left it
Voltaire I : Yes it it
Voltaire I : it is
OMNI Cyber : Cool, Frank. Cool.
Strmdancer : Hmmm - not too popular with the pilots, I'd
venture. If they got used to being...
Strmdancer : secondguessed, they'd probably lose the edge
that made them pilots in the first place.
Deejarvis : AFK
BCS Frank : Right, Storm, that's gonna be a real sell
job to tell a fighter pilot to fly by the
wire when they can
Erasthmus : Have you guys read Moving Mars by Greg Bear?
BCS Frank : be interrupted in a dog fight.
CybStalker : When macine thin, will we be obsolete?
CybStalker : thin=Think
Strmdancer : Yep, Frank - GMTA.
OMNI Cyber : Re hi, SIX
Voltaire I : Sorry, it's minuit, I must depart. Very
interesing, wish I could stay.
BCS Frank : Depends on what the machines think of us, of
course. :)
CybStalker : :-)
Strmdancer : Depends on what theyre thinking, Cyb... ;-)
OMNI Cyber : Nite, Vol.....stop in anytime.
Voltaire I : Aurevoir everyone, Cyber.
SIX SLOTHS : <---:Experiencing, firsthand, the joys of
having only one line
Erasthmus : What is the definition of a machine?
Shadowjak : Erasthmus, I met Bear at a book signing the
other night.
CybStalker : What does an AI dowhen its bored?
Strmdancer : Goodnight, Voltaire...au revoir.
BCS Frank : a mechanism that does work.
BCS Frank : It backs up. :)
Erasthmus : Yeah. Cool! What do you think of his
theories of how the universe works
Shadowjak : He was pushing the reissue of his fantasy
novel
Erasthmus : Arent we a mechanism that does work
BCS Frank : What are his theories?
Erasthmus : You mean the Song of Power books
OMNI Cyber : Yes....what are the theories?
BCS Frank : Yes, we are machines. Ask any orthopedic
surgeon.
SIX SLOTHS : We are not machines, ask any philosopher
Erasthmus : He thinks that the universe is basically a
matrix of information, rather like a 4/5
dimensio
Strmdancer : We sort of work - seem to have this fatal
self destruct mechanism, though...
Shadowjak : I guess, I didn't buy it........I did have
him sign a copy of MOVING MARS though
BCS Frank : Hmmm... the philosopher I choose is B.F.
Skinner. Too bad. :)
Erasthmus : al version of a computer graphics setup.
Sort of. DOnt know if that makes sense.
Erasthmus : He explains it in pages.
Strmdancer : Conditioned rats, Frank? ;-)
YNOTGOLF : We are machines just ask your boss.
Erasthmus : Bull to the philosophers today anyway. The
real philosophy is being donein physics
SIX SLOTHS : <---: Reveling in his non mechaninical
existence
BCS Frank : We might be machines and more, but we are
certainly machines.
Shadowjak : We are just machines so we won't bother
asking our boss:)
YNOTGOLF : agreed
OMNI Cyber : Frank.....agreed.....just ask any
Doctor.....We are machines. :))
BCS Frank : Good enough, SIX, careful though, don't
breath or circulate any blood. :)
Erasthmus : So what then is the difference between a
robot a cyborg and us?
Patterner : HI folks!
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Patterneer
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
Shadowjak : Hi Patt
Patterner : The door's kinda sticky tonight, Cyber!
Strmdancer : Hi, Patt!!
Patterner : Hi Cyber!
Patterner : Hi Strm!
BCS Frank : Patterner, Yo! :)
Patterner : Hi Shadow!
SIX SLOTHS : What makes you think that I posess corporeal
reality
Deejarvis : BAK
Patterner : Hi Frank!
Erasthmus : Hey Patt!
Patterner : Hi Dee!
Deejarvis : Hi, Patt!
Patterner : HI Erasthmus!
Erasthmus : Hey DEe
OMNI Cyber : I know, Patt. :::::spraying more WD-40 on
the door hinges:::::::
BCS Frank : Cause AOL requires credit cards or checking
accounts. :)
Strmdancer : You've got a keyboard and/or mouse, SIX -
therefore you are partially corporal.
OMNI Cyber : Patt.....*** Tonight the topic deals with
Androids, Robots and Artificial Intelligence
***
Strmdancer : corporeal, that is.
Deejarvis : Getting late for me, folks. G'nite!
Patterner : NIght, Dee!
OMNI Cyber : Nite, DJ ;(
Strmdancer : goodnight, Deejarvis.
SIX SLOTHS : Yeah, it was a half baked comeback anyways,
you win. You ALL WIN, are you HAPPY NOW!
YNOTGOLF : Goodnite,
BCS Frank : Deej, Bye! :)
Erasthmus : By Dee
Patterner : Maybe six is a ghost in the machine!
YNOTGOLF : Goodnite, Dee
Strmdancer : :::laughing at BCS's last comment:::
OMNI Cyber : Ooooh. GHOST IN THE MACHINE.....good
movie. :)
BCS Frank : SIX, in a conversation we all learn, we all
grow, we all win. :)
BCS Frank : Now if only I'd learn how to type. :)
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Cyberwrtr LTNS
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
OMNI Cyber : Hi, Creepzoid
OMNI Cyber : Greetings! You've found the OMNI SF/F chat
room--a place for great SF conversation!
Erasthmus : Hi Cyb
SIX SLOTHS : STOP IT, can't admit wrongness more than
once a day. . .dying...ach
Erasthmus : Hi Creep
Cyberwrtr : Hey Cyber, All Molson PUleaze!
Shadowjak : Hey Creep!
OMNI Cyber : Hello, Hilltunes
BCS Frank : Storm, it's basic theology... "I pay,
therefore I am...."
YNOTGOLF : y
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
Strmdancer : Six - this isn't a zerosum game here,
really.
Patterner : Hi Cyber!
Patterner : Hi again, Hill!
Hilltunes : Hi Cyber !
Cyberwrtr : PATTERNER!
Hilltunes : Patt !
Strmdancer : Mine goes, I pay, therfore I work...
OMNI Cyber : Re hi, Cyb
CybStalker : I was punted, What'd I miss?
SIX SLOTHS : You're trying to make me admit my wrongness
again, aren't you Strm, well I won't! Ha,
haha, hehe
OMNI Cyber : A lot of new people, Cyb. }l;>
Patterner : Oh, too many Cybs!
Strmdancer : More existential philosophy, Cyb...
Patterner : All these Cyblings!
OMNI Cyber : It's CYBER night. LOL
CybStalker : And I thought we were on bots.......
BCS Frank : Well, this -is- Cyberia.
Strmdancer : Cyber, you HAVE been a naughty boy, haven't
you? ;-)
OMNI Cyber : LOL.....};>
OMNI Cyber : When we think of Androids, Data from ST:TNG
always comes to mind. Are there any other
...
OMNI Cyber : androids that come to mind from SF movies or
books?
YNOTGOLF : He sure has been trying. LOL
CybStalker : The Bicentenial man
Erasthmus : Robbie?
Strmdancer : The one from Aliens...
Shadowjak : Yul, In Westworld
Patterner : Oh, good one, Cyb. Such a good story.
BCS Frank : Al Gore?
CybStalker : I know.
Patterner : R. Daneel Olivaw
SIX SLOTHS : Yes, bicentennial man was excellent
Strmdancer : Although Pinocchio was, I guess, the
original...
Erasthmus : What about Mike and Minerva from R.Heinlein
CybStalker : No, no gore. Android implies intelligence.
Cyberwrtr : Whhich Cyber you talking about Strmdancer?
OMNI Cyber : Good one, Erasthmus.....Mike....from THE
MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS.
CybStalker : Like I say, by looking at robots, we look at
what is human in us.
OMNI Cyber : Hi, Prophyt
Patterner : Hi Prophyt!
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
SIX SLOTHS : does Frankenstein's creature constitute as
an android
CybStalker : Hail, a prophet comes hither!
OMNI Cyber : :::watching the androids bring in the coffee
and donuts::: c[_] c[_] c[_] [oooooo]
[oooooo]
Prophyt : Hey guys! Just looking around! Don't mind
me.
Strmdancer : Could I plead the fifth, Cyberwrtr? I don't
know you - I was referring to OMNI Cyber,
though...
Hilltunes : The Stepford Babes. (wives)
BCS Frank : In one sense an android is that very special
kind of human contemplated by Medieval
philosophers....
CybStalker : frankie counts. I guess the Golem counts
too.
Prophyt : Frankenstein's monster? More like a zombie,
I would think?
Patterner : No, Frankenstein's monster was made of
*human* parts. Androids are non-biological.
Hilltunes : More coffee please .
CybStalker : No! Look at Bishop from Aliens!
OMNI Cyber : Frankenstein....would he be a Cyborg?
BCS Frank : .... a human from before the Fall, a human
without original sin. No wonder they're
such a pain. :)
Erasthmus : Is that right. Dos an android have to be
nonbiological?
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Wnchstr
OMNI Cyber : Welcome to OMNI's SF/F Chat Room. Tonight
is Robotics night. Have anything to share?
CybStalker : Android means "manlike". You could take it
from there.
Cyberwrtr : If it's biological is it an android?
Prophyt : A Golem might be an andriod, though, based
upon mystic sciences, yes?
BCS Frank : Androids by recent SF consensus are bio
constructs, Cyborgs are man/machine combo's,
and
Strmdancer : LOL, Frank! NOW I understand why androids
always irritated me!
CybStalker : prooabaly
Hilltunes : RoboCop ?
Shadowjak : Technically, an android is a humanoid robot
Erasthmus : That leads into circular logic
BCS Frank : robots are mechanical constructs. The lines
are gray however.
CybStalker : Since when has SF been so technical?
SIX SLOTHS : brb
OMNI Cyber : Wnchstr....*** Tonight the topic deals with
Androids, Robots and Artificial Intelligence
***
Prophyt : Websters defines android as an automaton
designed to resemble a human being.
Erasthmus : Yeah but can I make a biological machine?
What about biological computers?
BCS Frank : Cyb, since the mid 50s.
Wnchstr : Does it? Could have fooled me.
CybStalker : Sigh
CybStalker : WE ARE biological computer!
CybStalker : s
Cyberwrtr : Does it have to resemble the WHOLE human
being?
CybStalker : A foot is okay, I guess
Prophyt : Biological machines? Oh man. I've heard this
somewhere.
BCS Frank : Well, we are biological... and until about
1946 the term "computer" referred to a human
hired to
Erasthmus : No, but arnt the eggheads working on making
comp-uters using organic materials?
CybStalker : Where?
BCS Frank : calculate things.
SIX SLOTHS : bak
CybStalker : The human brain is the most complicated and
advanced computer there is.
SIX SLOTHS : I looked up android, it's also a medical
term, suprisingly
Prophyt : Machines are not biological. The analogy is
imperfect. Machines mimic biology only.
Erasthmus : Are you sure of that Cyb?
BCS Frank : Hmmm... more advanced than a whale brain?
Cyberwrtr : There have been several breakthroughs in
using carbon based (living) tissues and
materials
CybStalker : Machines are tools that serve man. Sciences
takes it from there.
Erasthmus : You mean as far as you, who admittedly are
biased, know
CybStalker : Yes, I'm sure.
Strmdancer : Yes, Cyb - imagine what we could do if we
used more than 20%...
Prophyt : A computer in that it computes, I suppose.
But the metaphor ends there.
Cyberwrtr : to fashon computers. The only problem is
that compared to current non biological
BCS Frank : Machines mimic? Isn't that anthopomorphic
"reasoning?"
Cyberwrtr : machines, they are tremendously slow.
CybStalker : No, we're just to fats
CybStalker : fast
YNOTGOLF : So what does that make the six million
dollar man?
CybStalker : We proably do use100%. For imagination
Prophyt : Machines are an anthropomorpic creation,
BCS.
BCS Frank : a bargain. :)
Strmdancer : A cyborg, YNOT..
CybStalker : A good show?
Cyberwrtr : A high priced golf caddy.
Erasthmus : Thanks, Cyberwrt. But you mean so far they
are slow
OMNI Cyber : LOL, Cyber.
Prophyt : A television production crew, Golf!
CybStalker : The perfect do-it-yourself kit!
Strmdancer : just like anyone with an artifical limb is
in fact a cyborg..
Cyberwrtr : Yes Era
Wnchstr : Artificial intelligence? Frankly I think
all "intelligence" is artificial - mine
too.
YNOTGOLF : LOL
CybStalker : Or a hearing aidm, or earing.
Erasthmus : What does artifical mean?
OMNI Cyber : Earing?
BCS Frank : Heck, the glasses I wear make me a Cyborg.
And wearing shoes or cloths count too.
Strmdancer : Or glasses, for that matter..
CybStalker : A piece of metal affixted to humans.
Shadowjak : I'd go for "accidental" maybe, but not
"artificial"
SIX SLOTHS : Or maybe no intelligence is artificial, even
machines
CybStalker : Borgs are we!
CybStalker : Resistence is futile
BCS Frank : Artificial.. an artifact, made by hyman.
Cyberwrtr : I can see you all read Bruce Sterling's
article in F&SF a few months ago.
OMNI Cyber : LOL, Cybstalker.
BCS Frank : human.
CybStalker : Did we?
Strmdancer : Hmmm- no wonder TV is so popular, Cyb! ;-)
CybStalker : he he
Strmdancer : No, I didn't, Cyberwrtr...
BCS Frank : Missed it Cyberwrtr.
Prophyt : Hm. Night all!
Wnchstr : Reading all this makes me SURE that human
intelligence is artificial. Or are you
"other".?
OMNI Cyber : No, Cyberwrtr.....fill us in please.
CybStalker : Night!
Erasthmus : What if GOD exists? Then arent we made by
GOD, so artificial
Strmdancer : Goodnight, Propht...
Shadowjak : Nite Prophyt
OMNI Cyber : Nite, Prophyt
YNOTGOLF : nite
Cyberwrtr : These are the very same things he brings up.
If you want to define a cyborg as anyone
who
CybStalker : The Prophet has left us!
CybStalker : God is a computer.
SIX SLOTHS : The prophet has left, I wonder what sort of
biblical ramifications this will have on
this group
OMNI Cyber : Cybstalker......Mac or PC???
Erasthmus : Says who? And what is a computer?
CybStalker : how else could he run run so many programs?
BCS Frank : Made by God qualifies us as creations, but
not artificial... because God is not human.
CybStalker : IBM.
OMNI Cyber : ;)
Strmdancer : Good point, frank!
Cyberwrtr : has something in his/her that they were not
originally born with, then everyone is a
cyborg.
Erasthmus : That logic is meaningless. You are importing
values into the words you use.
CybStalker : God made man in His own image, Frank.
OMNI Cyber : Hiya, Bo!!!!!!!
Patterner : Or man made god in his.
OMNI Cyber : It's good to see you again in OMNI's SF/F
Chat room. Grab something to drink and join
us. ;)
YNOTGOLF : I agree, Cyb
Patterner : Bo!
Strmdancer : Hello, Bohemund.
Erasthmus : Whats the dif between created and
artificated
Shadowjak : Hey Bo!
BCS Frank : Now if Jesus Ben Joseph built a table, is
that a Creation, or an artifact???
OMNI Cyber : Bo knows!!!!!!!
Erasthmus : Both
CybStalker : I do not USE words! I manipulate a macine
called language, but it is mine nonetheless!
Bohemund : Hey Cyber! Hey everybody! Did I miss the
fun?
CybStalker : Yes
OMNI Cyber : Just starting BO
BCS Frank : Creation means "made by...." Artfact refers
direwctly to being made by human(s).
Cyberwrtr : Explain how language is a machine.
OMNI Cyber : Hello, LMath
Erasthmus : According to which dictionary?
OMNI Cyber : Welcome to OMNI's SF/F Chat Room. Tonight
is Robotics night. Have anything to share?
BCS Frank : Language is a tool that does work.
Strmdancer : Is there a difference between machine and
tool?
Bohemund : Language is a lever we use to help us lift
heavy concepts.
YNOTGOLF : hi, LMath
LMath42762 : THink i
CybStalker : It is made of thought, held together by
ideas, and serviced by knowledge!
Strmdancer : For to me, language is a tool...
Erasthmus : Artifact literally means made by art, ie by
design
SIX SLOTHS : Language is can only be a machine
metaphorically, a machine must have moving
parts
BCS Frank : Bo, right, that's the idea! :)
Erasthmus : It doesnt require that the design be human
CybStalker : I move your minds with it!
Cyberwrtr : But a machine needs energy to run. Are you
saying that language is akin to a perpetual
Cyberwrtr : motion machine?
LMath42762 : IThink I'll just listen awhile
BCS Frank : SIX, no way... moving parts is -not- a
machine requirement.
Bohemund : If language is a lever, then laughter is a
pulley.
Shadowjak : The etymology is derived of artifice and
implies human origins
CybStalker : No. it is powered by the energy of thought
and reason!
OMNI Cyber : Okay, LMath....jump in anytime you want.
Erasthmus : According to which dictionary?
Bohemund : And, of course, religion is an inclined
plane ;)
Patterner : Well, I'm going to bed. I'll see you another
night!
OMNI Cyber : Hello, JohnW
OMNI Cyber : Come on in, grab some pizza and a drink and
then join us in the conversation. : )
CybStalker : See you!
Shadowjak : Nite Patt
Strmdancer : Goodnight, Patt.
OMNI Cyber : Nite, Patt.
Patterner : Bye!
JohnW90213 : Hello everyone how are you all?
Bohemund : 'Night Patt!
YNOTGOLF : nite Patt
Erasthmus : Nite Patt
Strmdancer : Hello, John.
CybStalker : A lot of people sya, what's that? It's pat!
BCS Frank : Put not your trust in dictionaries.... they
are but shorthand notes of the full story of
words.
Cyberwrtr : So you have been able to measure the power
of reason? Found the energy that produces
though
Cyberwrtr : Nite Patt!
JohnW90213 : Whats the subject?
Erasthmus : Hey John :)
OMNI Cyber : *** Tonight the topic deals with Androids,
Robots and Artificial Intelligence ***
Cyberwrtr : thought?
Hilltunes : Yo Bohemund ! Nice !
CybStalker : reason is powered by knowledge.
Strmdancer : Or language, thought, and existence -
whatever...
BCS Frank : Well, energy being the ability to do work,
words certainly seem to qualify.
Bohemund : ::: bowing :::
JohnW90213 : What exactly is the differenct between a
robot and a android?
CybStalker : A android is made in our image.
BCS Frank : By the way, for the concept of information
as energy and language as machines, see most
OMNI Cyber : Good one, Cyb. ;)
Shadowjak : A robot need not be humanoid
BCS Frank : of the writers on Cybernetics.
Bohemund : A robot is a mechanized tool designed to do
work ...
CybStalker : a Robot is a automated tool, liike in car
factories
JohnW90213 : thanks Cyb
CybStalker : Thanks Cyber!
OMNI Cyber : ;)
Bohemund : from the Slavic verb meaning "To work" (See
Capek's RUR)
YNOTGOLF : Well, what is the terminator?
Erasthmus : Robot means literally I gather 'worker'
Strmdancer : Wow, Bo - I'm impressed...
BCS Frank : One confusing point is that the original
robots were androids.
JohnW90213 : So are their any developments in AI
technology so to speak of?
Bohemund : ::: re-bowing :::
SIX SLOTHS : That would explain the 'robot' tax workers
had to pay in Poland
CybStalker : Yes, John. Us!
Bohemund : Da, SIX.
OMNI Cyber : Bo knows everything. :))
Bohemund : :)
BCS Frank : Right, from Karl Kapok (sp?) play "RUR" for
Rossem's Univeral Robots.
Strmdancer : Well, John - from friends of mine, not
much...
Cyberwrtr : I've read a lot of cybernetic texts as well
as just plain SF, and in a real sense I've
never
Cyberwrtr : seen language referred to as a machine in
any serious way. Maybe as a way to get a
point
Bohemund : Except when to be quiet, Cyber ;)
OMNI Cyber : LOL
Strmdancer : Whew, Frank!
Cyberwrtr : across, but not in a classical physics
sense.
JohnW90213 : In that case Cyb we need to make
improvements :)
CybStalker : Language is the processor of society, and
the tool of man
Strmdancer : :::retreating in front of her leanred
betters:::
CybStalker : Storm, there's nowhere to hide
Strmdancer : Wanna bet, Cyb?
CybStalker : ;-)
OMNI Cyber : :::::making room for Strmdancer::::: Come
on...sit in the corner with me.
BCS Frank : Cyberwrtr, information as the ability to
"make a difference," and as distinct from
"noise" is a
JohnW90213 : Why can't we make intelligent computers what
is the one major hang up,anyone?
CybStalker : Launguage is the battery of enlightenment.
JohnW90213 : Sorry to ask so many questions
Bohemund : Processing speed and memory storage, I'll
wager, John.
BCS Frank : cri8tical concept of information theiry in
